tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5614832110829270140.post3318022354288352996..comments2024-01-11T17:05:24.759+00:00Comments on Lurking about SE11: Accusations - response to criticism re LGBT hustingsSE11 Lurkerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01727961781290615066noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5614832110829270140.post-46138771060816098082009-07-08T12:13:27.148+01:002009-07-08T12:13:27.148+01:00Your commentator states:
"And the idea that L...Your commentator states:<br />"And the idea that Lambeth Council can ignore a bid from a church group is ridiculous - imagine the uproar if they refused to deal with Muslims, or the Catholic Church, both of which have aborrent views on gay people."<br /><br />Of course the council cannot ignore or fail to support church groups. I feel that Lambeth Council must be careful to minimise procuring services from groups that will result in harm to other groups. This organisation will be situated to the edge of what many consider Vauxhall Gay Village. If the council supports them then it needs to ensure that this support and situating them in this area does not harm the existing LGBT community. There is real potential for problems for community cohesion if this church preaches against LGBT people or attempts to lobby to have businesses closed down or to preach to LGBT people using the area or to incite hatred and criticism of the local LGBT community. The report launched by the council recently looking at the needs of Lambeths LGBT citizens "Lambeth Matters" http://www.sigmaresearch.org.uk/files/report2006c.pdf found that it was a common perception that LGBT people felt the council supported faith and cultural groups who were homo/transphobic and felt that Lambeth should be more proactive in neither supporting nor funding organisations that hold homo/transphobic views. It recommends that "The Council must consider its position if supporting and investing in the needs of one community to the detriment of another".Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5614832110829270140.post-40185218345953581292009-06-03T23:30:43.828+01:002009-06-03T23:30:43.828+01:00Hi - I was one of the 'anonymous' posters ...Hi - I was one of the 'anonymous' posters and apparently the 'hostile questioner' - just so you all know. I initially posted as anonymous simply because I couldn't remember my password - my apologies if that caused such offense.<br /><br />With regards to some of the other comments, I would like to say that I was challenging the Labour candidate on their party's record on LGBT rights within the Borough.<br /><br />As mentioned on my post, I gave a list of areas where the Lambeth Labour Party have failed the LGBT Community in Lambeth and Mark was unable to speak on behalf of the party he is representing because he was totally unaware of these issues. As far as he was concerned everything is 'hunky dory' with regards to LGBT issues in Lambeth. That's fine, however if he'd actually admitted to some of the failings, then I would have been easier on him.<br /><br />However, there are MANY failings that I could mention but won't go over it again (unless you want me to) ;0)<br /><br />That said, he also blatantly decided to say that this Labour Government had 'single handedly' given us freedoms and equality in the UK. To my knowledge, a lot of that was to do with the fact that European Legislation ensured we were able to have those rights.<br /><br />Mark was also challenged with his views re: Old Lilian Baylis site. He was the only candidate who was out of agreement with the rest of those there, so of course he was going to be challenged - wouldn't you be if you were in his shoes.<br /><br />That said, I am appalled at the latest materials to be sent out trying to say that John (the LibDem candidate) does not live in the ward - knowing full well that he's lived there THREE TIMES longer than Mark (the Labour candidate).<br /><br />This is not party political as I also had a go at the English Democrat candidate but didn't have a go at the LibDem or Conservative as they're not currently the Lambeth administration so my questions were to the party who are currently not serving the Lambeth LGBT community as they should be. <br /><br />Anyway, I'll sign off now and wish you all luck.<br /><br />Rxcheekybuddhahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10577085654703215782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5614832110829270140.post-35410566631376423382009-06-03T20:19:41.978+01:002009-06-03T20:19:41.978+01:00Mark Harrison sez: "I really think this whole...Mark Harrison sez: "I really think this whole discussion has been exhausted as far as it can be- especially as people are conducting themselves in a highly partisan way which isn't actually illumninating much"<br /><br />An appropriate commentary on your campaign, I would say. Can you say the smears and inaccuracies aimed at Jon Roberts are ethical and/or appropriate?<br /><br />One question. Where do you see yourself in 4 years time? Standing for a second term or looking for a parliamentary seat somewhere?Sid Bogglenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5614832110829270140.post-25677280504108330602009-06-03T12:43:12.280+01:002009-06-03T12:43:12.280+01:00For the record, I think it should be said that bot...For the record, I think it should be said that both Mark Harrison (Labour) and Joe Healy (Green) are to be commended for their constructive participation in the debate on this blog.<br /><br />I'm aware that there are all sorts of anonymous commentators posting comments, but only three people (Mark, Joe and Steve) who have been publicly prepared to stand by their comments. Many thanks, and I welcome the use of only one alias under which to conduct discussion.SE11 Lurkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14883634895974771036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5614832110829270140.post-30966020957656466062009-06-03T12:05:23.151+01:002009-06-03T12:05:23.151+01:00Mark
I agree with you - exhausting to say the lea...Mark<br /><br />I agree with you - exhausting to say the least. But any nasty, bitchy campaign will always be just that for everyone as it generates negative feedback rather than positive. <br /><br />However, could you please confirm the number of times you have been to the Penwith Manor TRA meetings? <br /><br />I think you owe it to all the people you're asking to support you to be honest. <br /><br />That is all any of us want. We surely have the right to that dont we? <br /><br />Thanks Mark. I look forward to your reply.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5614832110829270140.post-85939982936847729962009-06-03T11:41:15.863+01:002009-06-03T11:41:15.863+01:00I really think this whole discussion has been exha...I really think this whole discussion has been exhausted as far as it can be- especially as people are conducting themselves in a highly partisan way which isn't actually illumninating much. I'd like to think I've shown myself willing to engage constructively in debate and discussion both on this blog and at hustings. <br /><br />For the record- I am not accusing the organiser of the LGBT hustings of deliberately telling me the wrong starting time. However, for whatever reason, I was told by email that the hustings started at 7:30pm. I was then strongly criticised by anonymous commentators on this blog for being late.Mark Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03725294519719128838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5614832110829270140.post-10284405031339859792009-06-03T11:00:08.321+01:002009-06-03T11:00:08.321+01:00Tri
It is such a shame that you have received an...Tri <br /><br />It is such a shame that you have received an accusation about your blog. Thank you for providing the opportunity for us all. <br /><br />Given the hustings were brought together at the last minute, your blog has given everyone a chance to have their say about eh Prince's Ward by-election. <br /><br />I think it is a shame the Fib Dems cannot disclose his/her identity. Doesn't that go against everything that they are complaining about to you? <br /><br />I think it is a shame that politics focuses on discrediting the other candidates and outright lies about credentials rather than being honest and really listening to the issues of the people that are about to elect. And most importantly - how the Councilor WILL effect change and resolve some of the long standing issues across Prince's Ward. <br /><br />I noticed that the literature from certain parties has been particularly vicious and fictitious and targeted at John. If nothing else, it would seem that he is the front runner and that this tactic is always used when a prospective candidate is panicking they will not win. <br /><br />So, I await the insults from Fib Dems telling me I am still pathetic but at least I have the balls to let people know who I am. <br /><br />Thanks Tri for giving SE11 a place to comment on the issues that affect us. If we all know the truth, then the lies do not hold ground.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com